Walking the Edge of Everyday with Sandra Bargman

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Hey, joyful journey your journey to Adams here your host of the

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joyful journey podcast and today I am thrilled to introduce you

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to my guests Sandra bargeman. Sandra is a kickass straight

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shooter, multi talented human being. She's an interfaith

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ordained minister, spiritual counselor, leadership coat

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actor, voiceover artist, singer, and creator and host of talk

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radio's the edge of every day, where she explores with her

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guests, the edges we all face and grapple with in our

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challenging times. Sandra understands that life isn't

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black or white, but rather it's where these two meet where we

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find the most creativity, chaos, and ultimately understanding.

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Sandra, welcome. Thank you so much for joining me today. Oh,

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hello, Anita,

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thank you so much for having me. Hello to all

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of your listeners.

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You know, I have to tell you, when we first met, I

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just I felt this like instant connection. And if I could be so

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vulnerable to say even love like I just like I loved you

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instantly. I felt like we were old souls reason. United like

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Where have you been?

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Right? Exactly.

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And comfortable and beautiful. And you held space

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for me. And we just like, wow, it was amazing. And it kind of

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made me wonder. Could we have met in a past life? Do you end

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Do you believe

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in? Totally. Oh, my gosh, yes. Full on believe in

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that. Yeah.

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Yeah, totally. And I am aware of well, as much as I

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could be aware of, you know, there, there are certain things

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we can never know for sure. But I'm on board with it. And I feel

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as though I do know some of the past ones.

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But I think it's so cool. I just I left that our

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first meeting and going wow, like I just I felt like I was

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seen and understood by this woman I just met. And I loved

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it. I love that feeling. And I made a gift. Maybe that's your

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gift that you give to everyone. You know, and I wouldn't be

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surprised if that's what you do. Because you're so you're so deep

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and open and vulnerable yourself. And this is who I am

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with the F bomb I

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love it. I love everything was

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no preciousness in that conversation. And I discovered

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this great voice with you. I feel like some character was

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coming through, like truck driver mouth was coming through.

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And it was so much fun.

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It was just raw and real, which is so indeed,

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so which is the edge of every everything.

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That's awesome. So I am curious, and I'd love to

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hear again. I mean, I heard it before, but I want to hear it

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again. so my listeners can understand you and where you

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come from your background. And, you know, let's tell us about

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your journey and how you got to be doing what you're doing

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today.

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Oh my gosh, well, I guess I could start with one of

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my favorite stories that I that I didn't even mentioned in the

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edge of every day the solo show that the podcast is based upon.

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But and this is a true story that my mother told me that at I

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was three or four years old apparently and marched into the

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kitchen and literally said to her with my hands on my hips.

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I'm here on a mission

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you had a knowing I had a

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knowing and I all my life from that time on I have I

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was always a performer I mean I popped out of the womb, acting

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and singing and and and telling stories and and dancing around

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but I was also really connected to the outdoors. I was a tomboy

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and was pretty comfortable outside by myself walking

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through the woods and taking bike rides off into, you know,

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deserted places. And I was also very aware of my my spiritual

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questing, of course, I wouldn't have thought of it like that it

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was just an awareness of the veil, it was an awareness of

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energy, you know, I was the kid in the corner the the empath in

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the corner that had had the antenna and could read the

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energy of the room. And when I was little, I could see things

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i. So those three things have been very prevalent in my life

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forever. Since the beginning, the thing that probably I

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received the most attention for and upliftment in my family was

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with my performing, and I did my first play, when I was six years

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old, I played the violin, my dad played the violin, you know, I

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sang in the choirs and, and I just continued that. And

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fortunately, my parents always put me in. We were always in

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education, education systems and communities that had really high

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end arts and performance programs. So not necessarily

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always great sports. We had, okay, football team, but we had

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a kick ass band marching band. So, you know, like, my high

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school was recording albums kind of thing. It was a little like,

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over the top insane. So, so acting and singing and voice

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over work that out of the gate became the first career because

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that was, and I think, if I'm honest, it was also I was very

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connected to my mom, very psychically connected and very,

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in all the good ways and bad ways of that. I think there was

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a bit of living out her dream and her living vicariously

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through me, which is not to say that I had no interest in this

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at all. Of course, I'd love doing it too. But

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they really encouraged it. Oh,

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they totally did. I was happily Fortunately, one of

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those kids were, you know, and maybe it was because I was

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female. My dad was on board with it. Maybe it was because, you

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know, he, I don't want to be he was a wonderful dad. But maybe

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it was because he saw my mom was so into it. He was a very

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supportive dad, they were both very supportive. But anyway, so

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that's why that first came out. And then, you know, my spiritual

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life was very active through all of that, but it really, I

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stepped into that a little bit more when I'm briefly moved out

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of the city, with my then boyfriend now husband of 30

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years. And then And then, you know, it just all started

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merging and morphing, and I kept collecting more threads, as I

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like to think of it into the tapestry and wearing more hats

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and throwing more balls up in the air like a crazy person.

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What was there? Was there a turning point at any any

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time along the way where you're like, you know, I've read this

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is where the direction I really want to go and I really want to

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develop my spirituality or I really want to teach people or

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be a leader in the spiritual realm. Totally. Absolutely.

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What's that that story? Swell,

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it kind of happened over and over throughout my

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performing life. For instance, I'm when I briefly moved out of

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the city and moved in with my boyfriend at the time now

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husband, he's a scientist, and he lived on a nature preserve

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the 3000 acre nature preserve and this big haired, big

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earring, big shooed city girl moved in and said, You know, I'm

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going to check out regional theater up there and and, you

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know, when I start pulling out all my hair, and it's on the

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ground, and I'm ready to go back to New York City, we'll we'll

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cross that bridge together when we get there. But what I didn't

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anticipate was that I mean, I literally lived in the woods in

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the capital district area of upstate New York in the woods to

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three hours north of New York City in the woods with no

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nightlights in a cabin with a composting toilet, and that we

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go right and I thrived. I that I really got in touch with that

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tomboy part of me that outdoor connected priestess energy and

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that was one turning point and I connected with I started getting

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the equity contracts in theater productions. So there was a an

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element of mentoring and teaching within that. I was

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always exploring my spiritual life and Then around the time I,

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I was on tour with Cinderella, starring Eartha Kitt as the

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fairy godmother. And a friend of mine in the, in the show was

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life coaching, as well, life coaching was just coming on the

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scene. And she said, you know, this is a great fit for you,

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you, you would love doing this and you'd be great at it. And I

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was really opening up much more fully to my service side. And,

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and if I will say a bit of boredom with the business of

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show, which is not to say it's a boring business, but it was just

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my growth at the time. And I circled in and out of that

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probably, you know, through throughout my entire career. But

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anyway, so I checked coaching, and and I attend conferences,

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and I get clients and, and do little training. And it's not

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quite the right fit for me. And I didn't 100% understand why.

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And one day, you know, I was just doing some research and I

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was on a website, a coach website and also up in the

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corner on the right hand side, she had the phrase, interfaith

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minister, coach, interfaith minister and something else. And

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a light bulb went off off and I was immediately on, you know,

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researching interfaith Minister found a seminary in New York

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City, I found a few of them in New York City, and I, you know,

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check them out and interviewed with one and was signed up,

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boom, ready to go, having no idea what a minister would be?

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Or do.

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But it was, yeah, but you felt this connection to

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it all the time.

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Totally, and understood that this was the next right

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step, for me to step out of the proverbial spiritual closet and

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into a more of a leadership role. Because I knew I had the

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voice for it. I've always known that but I just didn't quite

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know, to what extent that or how that would look. Right. So good.

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So go ahead. I was gonna launch into a pretty big story about

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how I, I sunk into that. Yeah, go back to my mom. My mother was

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dying of cancer in my first year of seminary. And yeah, and she

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she asked me to be the minister at her funeral. Oh, wow. Yeah.

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So So I think of it in terms of her birthing me twice. No, like

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I had

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I had lived her dream which was also mine, it

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wasn't as it like I said, it wasn't

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I didn't bucket I loved it and continue to love it but

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but in her dying and choosing me to be her minister, there was a

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birth into that work. And after she died, I did it. I even sang

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like a crazy person. And that the complete and utter grief

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that I was consumed with was my baptism. Also my baptism by fire

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into the work

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I really really feel that

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it's beautiful Sandra. I love how your mom played such an

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integral part of an important part of who you are and your

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journey and kind of opened the door to that which is so

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special.

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Very special. Yes, she did. Thank you for letting me

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share that.

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Yeah, thank you for being so open and vulnerable

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with me ah tell me why interfaith of all the spiritual

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directions you could have gone in why interfaith Yeah

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that's a great question. Why interfaith no

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one's ever asked me that. Have I ever asked myself that? I think

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you know, if you know, I'm gonna play. I'm gonna play a little

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academic here. I think it's probably because I've been

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curious about all of it. Throughout my whole life, I

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mean, I was raised Christian. I was raised Protestant,

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Presbyterian, specifically, we my prayer Aren't smooth. They

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were from Pittsburgh and they moved us back to Pittsburgh when

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I was just before my 10th birthday. And so we went to my

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grandparents church. And I got out of organized religion, I,

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you know, I was having a hard time with organized religion

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pretty early into my teens, but I just loved being in church and

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I love the iconography. And I love the costumes, and I love

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the drama of it. And, and I love singing the music, and I was in

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the choir and but I was, and I love Jesus's message. I love the

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stories, but I was pretty on board that this was not for me.

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What part of it was not for you, because it sounds

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like you've loved the ritual.

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I love totally love the ritual and the ceremony. And,

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and, and, but I very quickly plugged into the dogma and the

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control. Okay, it's not just not for me, and that, you know,

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these stories I knew were metaphors, I was not taking

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anything, and, you know, just didn't speak to me didn't expand

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me. And I already felt like I had a relationship with Yeshua

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with Jesus, I already felt that way. So it didn't feel like I

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had to go to church for that i didn't i It was so much a part

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of who I was, I didn't have to go anywhere. Right. So intercut

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is, you know, I think, because it just the, the light bulb just

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went off. It's just the direction I went. And I loved

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and we learned all about all of the major religions, including

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the earth religions, which I was already interested in and

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curious about, and exploring and Eastern religions already

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exploring that. You know, so it was a way for me to just sink

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into this whole world, even though I knew that the organized

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religion was not was not my path. And my eclectic, it gave

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me a set of ways of, of languaging with people. And I

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think that that's another aspect of this, if you're going to step

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out in any sort of way, and you want to have some, potentially

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some courageous conversations with people, it's good to have

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the language that they relate to, you know, the the set of,

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you know, which is by no means a, as an interfaith Minister,

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you know, I'm an expert in all world religions, you know, but I

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have, I have the overall understanding and the depth

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within them and the languaging. So I can speak with people and

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from a respectful angle, perspective,

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yeah, I love that. I love what you said that the

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church didn't expand you. And I think that's so important. You

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know, we have to that's, that's, that's growth, right? That's,

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and we need to be continuingly expanding ourselves. I grew up

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in the Christian world as well. Baptist was my you know,

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upbringing. And I feel your story is very familiar to me as

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well. I didn't, I didn't find it expensive being in church. And

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it's not to say that it can't be I mean, it can be very expensive

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for all sorts of people. For me, I, I felt it, I needed something

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different. And I struggled with that for a number of years, I

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really struggled with this spiritual side of me that wanted

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to grow and evolve and not really liking the church and

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some of the things that I was seeing or experiencing. And then

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I ultimately I found my church, if you will, walking in the

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woods, you know, it's just connecting with neighboring

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Church, the green church was really cool. That's yeah. And

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I'd love I would love to learn more about other other religions

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or ways of being in the world other beliefs and expand my

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knowledge there. I'm curious like you that's really cool.

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Yeah. Because it's,

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it's fun because it's connected to culture. So

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there's, there's so there's so much that contributes from a

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cultural standpoint, that's really cool. You know, like the

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food and the this and that, and how does it relate to their

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society and the part of the world that they live in? It's

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just all so delicious.

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How would you define the difference between

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religious or being religious and being spiritual?

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I have not honed that I've been asked that. Before I

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haven't honed my answer. So I'm just going to riff through

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Right. I I think the difference for me is that I look, as a

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spiritual being, I look within, for my answers, and I trust my

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own inner wisdom. I don't look to someone else or a book, or a

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set of rules to dictate what's right or wrong. For me.

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That's all really quotable for a, somebody that's

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just rifting. I love that.

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Well, you know, they ask another interfaith minister,

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and there's going to be a different answer. I just I don't

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say that people who consider themselves religious don't look

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within that, I certainly want to clarify that for the listeners,

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it's for me personally. And I know many people who are hugely,

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enormously aware and conscious and growing their global

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consciousness awareness that you know, just that still love to

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attend church that they grew up in, there is a a familiarity, a

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community, an understanding and a metaphysical lifting up over

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some of the dogma that expands them, right just didn't, for me.

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Yeah, actually, thank you for presencing that

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because there have been many times actually, in my life where

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I've, I've gone to different churches, and there's one in

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Vancouver that I, in my university days that I'd like to

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go occasionally to St. John's Anglican Church. And it really

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lifted me up. Largely because the music and the people, you

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know, that I just, I was so uplifted, and I loved and it was

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very expensive. And my closest friend, she's a very spiritual,

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religious person she loves. She loves the ritual of church, like

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it's not to her that that ritual helps her connect to God.

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Yeah, no, I totally get as somebody who's very ritual, I

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mean, I crafted my one woman show the edge of every day on

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ritual. It is it's built as a ritual, I became a dean of first

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year students at the new seminary, through which the

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seminary through which I was ordained and, and oversaw the

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ritual teachings. I mean, I totally get that, that if that

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is the thing that that turns you on, and the music, you know, if

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I could find a place near where I am, I would probably go more

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often, but I just haven't been able to find that mix of things

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that really just lifted me.

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Hmm. I want to talk about spiritual practice. And

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you mentioned, I think it's somewhere on your website that

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that performing and creative expression is part of your

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spiritual practice. So what would you define? Or how would

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you define a spiritual practice?

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When I was a dean of first year students, we would

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have to talk about this in front of the class the first the first

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class, we would all introduce ourselves and talk about our

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spiritual practices and what what is what does that mean to

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us? And inevitably, the first thing that will pop out of my

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mouth was my relationship with my husband.

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Oh, that's interesting. Oh, yeah. More

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well, from the standpoint of if you've got I

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mean, talk about a place to really see your rough edges

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polished I mean, you know, Oh, my Oh my god, I have to see all

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that crap all that shit. Like why No. Oh my god. Yeah, I am. I

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am not I am completely the light. I am the light. I am the

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light. I have no darkness. I'm perfect.

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Your husband holds up the mirror.

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Yeah, bitch right here. Take a peek. You know? Ooh,

Unknown: 00:24:33

that's so cool. It just funded here. I love that. Yeah, totally

Unknown: 00:24:39

cool. But yeah, I mean, there's there's just no relationship is

Unknown: 00:24:45

the number one in my opinion, the number one spiritual

Unknown: 00:24:48

practice, how can I be in relationship and how can I? What

Unknown: 00:24:53

mirror Am I looking at? And what is this person mirroring back to

Unknown: 00:24:59

me? What am I disliking about them? What are they that it is

Unknown: 00:25:04

showing me what I dislike within myself? That's certainly an

Unknown: 00:25:10

enormous practice for me, you know, meditation, of course.

Anita Adams: 00:25:17

I want it sorry, it's falling off for a second.

Anita Adams: 00:25:19

So I'd love this idea. Being in relationship is the number one

Anita Adams: 00:25:24

spiritual practice. And I can see how a romantic relationship

Anita Adams: 00:25:29

is, can be key to that, but it doesn't have to be romantic. No,

Anita Adams: 00:25:34

and but long term. That's a lot. So any long term relation

Anita Adams: 00:25:38

relationship typically

Unknown: 00:25:39

was for me to stay in a long term relationship and to

Unknown: 00:25:42

keep having to look in that mirror and deepening into with

Unknown: 00:25:45

the understood that that is not easy. No. And, you know, which

Unknown: 00:25:50

is why, which is not to say staying in a long term

Unknown: 00:25:53

relationship is the way to go. It's just what has occurred for

Unknown: 00:26:00

me.

Anita Adams: 00:26:01

And there's, we're a lot of the learning for our

Anita Adams: 00:26:05

individual selves happens is in the relationships.

Unknown: 00:26:09

Yeah, but I mean, you know, I can I can look at my

Unknown: 00:26:11

friendships, I can look at any relationship, I mean, long term

Unknown: 00:26:15

or short term. And you know, who's pissing me off? And why is

Unknown: 00:26:19

that? Right? And,

Anita Adams: 00:26:21

and people, people will trigger you. Yeah, always

Anita Adams: 00:26:24

gonna be triggered by people. And then you can take an

Anita Adams: 00:26:26

opportunity to look at that trigger, and understand yourself

Anita Adams: 00:26:30

better.

Unknown: 00:26:31

Yeah. Why is that? Why am I pissed off at this? And

Unknown: 00:26:35

they have no clue, you know? Or, you know, as if they came to me,

Unknown: 00:26:39

Well, I'm gonna fucking piss her off. You know, and, and so why

Unknown: 00:26:45

is that? What is that? What is that edge? In me? That's all of

Unknown: 00:26:49

a sudden, how can I? How can I reframe that? How what? What

Unknown: 00:26:54

light? Can I shed on that? If How can I get vulnerable and

Unknown: 00:26:59

truthful around that?

Anita Adams: 00:27:01

But do you see that every relationship that comes

Anita Adams: 00:27:03

into our life is an opportunity then to go deeper within

Anita Adams: 00:27:06

ourselves?

Unknown: 00:27:10

Well, I don't know that everyone, every single

Unknown: 00:27:15

relationship is but you know, by somebody,

Unknown: 00:27:18

I guess, right? I mean, I guess. I guess you could say that. I

Unknown: 00:27:23

don't know that, you know,

Unknown: 00:27:26

my neighbor down the street with whom I've said five words. Or,

Unknown: 00:27:31

you know, it's necessarily that's a hard one to answer. You

Unknown: 00:27:38

know, I don't know, I certainly I think the ones that inspire. I

Unknown: 00:27:45

think the overall answer is yes. But if I dig a little deep more

Unknown: 00:27:51

deeply, of course, not everybody but but the ones that I'm having

Unknown: 00:27:54

more of a juice with? Absolutely. Whether it's a work

Unknown: 00:28:00

person, I work with a person that I know peripherally,

Unknown: 00:28:04

somebody that I'm involved with a little more closely, certainly

Unknown: 00:28:07

a family member. I mean, there's no greater. There's no greater

Unknown: 00:28:12

teachers than your family, like, Oh, my God. You're a very

Unknown: 00:28:17

powerful teacher for me. Whether I want it

Anita Adams: 00:28:21

or not, or not. Alright, well, carry on, I'd cut

Anita Adams: 00:28:26

you off in talking about spiritual practices, and, oh,

Unknown: 00:28:29

no. Hey, I do meditation. I read I journal. I,

Unknown: 00:28:38

I try. I do your point. I'm green church. You I live in the

Unknown: 00:28:46

Catskill Mountains, which is where I'm tuning in from, you

Unknown: 00:28:49

know, spending time in nature, getting my feet on the ground

Unknown: 00:28:52

feeling the energy beings, you know, certainly a haven during

Unknown: 00:28:59

COVID Those are all my practices in trying, just trying to stay

Unknown: 00:29:04

open and stay aware of what's afoot. Another spiritual

Unknown: 00:29:10

practice for me and Veer is very closely related to the edge of

Unknown: 00:29:15

every day is this is as you as you've gathered, I am not a

Unknown: 00:29:22

precious person. I am I am not that kind of spiritual person. I

Unknown: 00:29:31

I really like the rough edges. I really like walking them and I

Unknown: 00:29:36

really see life that way. And so a lot of people say to a lot of

Unknown: 00:29:41

what some of my former students would say this kind of thing

Unknown: 00:29:44

too. I you know, I just don't listen to the news. I don't pay

Unknown: 00:29:46

attention to politics because I'm spiritual. Like what every

Unknown: 00:29:52

you know, you don't pay attention to it because if it

Unknown: 00:29:56

frightens you, that's okay. But it's not because your spirit

Unknown: 00:29:59

every thing on this planet created by humans is spiritual.

Unknown: 00:30:06

So how can I, personally stay involved in what is happening on

Unknown: 00:30:12

this planet and aware of the news without being consumed by

Unknown: 00:30:16

it, so that I can also hold my vision, my light filled vision

Unknown: 00:30:25

of what it is I want to create in the world who it is, I want

Unknown: 00:30:29

to be in the world, the kind of place that I know we are moving

Unknown: 00:30:33

towards. So how do I walk that edge? How do I stay aware of an

Unknown: 00:30:38

active and uplifting and shining a light into these darker places

Unknown: 00:30:43

without being co opted by that still maintaining that vision of

Unknown: 00:30:47

light and growth and consciousness and unity and

Unknown: 00:30:52

oneness? That's the edge that I want to walk?

Anita Adams: 00:30:56

That's a brilliant question. And what's what's the

Anita Adams: 00:30:59

answer? How do you walk that edge?

Unknown: 00:31:03

Well, I think it's probably different for everyone.

Unknown: 00:31:06

For me, you know, how successful am I today? Am I like completely

Unknown: 00:31:12

consumed in my political Twitter feed and wanting to just melt

Unknown: 00:31:16

down and give up? No. Well, maybe some days. But how do I

Unknown: 00:31:22

reconnect them to my hope? How do I reconnect them to my hope,

Unknown: 00:31:27

that active energetic hope that moves me forward, that

Unknown: 00:31:32

reconnects me to my strength that reconnects me to my taking

Unknown: 00:31:37

action? In a light filled positive way?

Anita Adams: 00:31:41

Yes. How? Well, I mean, you know, we all have to

Anita Adams: 00:31:46

ask that question, or, yeah, gotcha. Well,

Unknown: 00:31:49

I just, I think it's just my willpower, you know,

Unknown: 00:31:52

okay, today, I'm not gonna get on Twitter. Today, I'm just

Unknown: 00:31:55

gonna fill myself up, I'm gonna go out and hug some trees. I'm

Unknown: 00:31:59

going to have a fantastic conversation with a friend. I'm

Unknown: 00:32:02

going to call up someone who needs me and uplift them. I'm

Unknown: 00:32:05

going to remind myself of the goodness of life.

Anita Adams: 00:32:10

being really intentional. Yeah.

Unknown: 00:32:12

And I'm going to sit down, I'm going to meditate. And

Unknown: 00:32:16

I'm going to, you know, listen to beautiful music, music and

Unknown: 00:32:18

feel that feel that sparkle. I'm going to connect to my guides,

Unknown: 00:32:23

I'm going to reconnect, and to that alignment with the higher

Unknown: 00:32:29

that's within me and without, and, you know, it's a constant.

Anita Adams: 00:32:34

Yeah. And I guess I'm, I'm thinking it's the first

Anita Adams: 00:32:39

step. If if there were to be steps in this process, it would

Anita Adams: 00:32:41

be to understand what it is that does lift you up, know thyself.

Anita Adams: 00:32:46

I think I saw that on your website, too. That's your

Anita Adams: 00:32:48

mantra. Isn't it? Know thy says, Know

Unknown: 00:32:50

thyself that is at the heart center of everything? I

Unknown: 00:32:53

do. Yes. The Walking Venn diagram. Yeah, no. And it's, and

Unknown: 00:32:57

I think, for everyone they've got that's the spiritual

Unknown: 00:32:59

journey. That's the spiritual journey is knowing that oh, what

Unknown: 00:33:03

is it? Well, but but in addition to that, you will only get to

Unknown: 00:33:07

know thyself, if you are willing to ask those questions. What

Unknown: 00:33:11

does uplift me? Yeah. What is my understanding of getting

Anita Adams: 00:33:15

clear on that?

Unknown: 00:33:17

How do I walk that edge? Let me try this.

Anita Adams: 00:33:21

Let me try this. I think that's an important thing,

Anita Adams: 00:33:24

too. It's let me try this and figuring it out. You don't have

Anita Adams: 00:33:26

to have the answers all the time. No such

Unknown: 00:33:29

thing is the answer. This is what cracks me up is

Unknown: 00:33:32

that well, this is the way I meditate. That's the best way.

Anita Adams: 00:33:36

Yeah, yeah. You know, I, I am guilty of that.

Anita Adams: 00:33:40

Actually, I'm saying telling people that their way into their

Anita Adams: 00:33:45

higher self is, is to walk into the forest. Well, well, that has

Anita Adams: 00:33:50

worked for me, but it's not necessarily everybody's way into

Anita Adams: 00:33:54

their highest self.

Unknown: 00:33:58

Well, and certainly not for people who are afraid of

Unknown: 00:34:00

nature, and there are people who are afraid of nature. Yeah, for

Unknown: 00:34:04

for many different reasons.

Anita Adams: 00:34:06

Of course, yeah. But it's, it's a bit of a trap,

Anita Adams: 00:34:09

I think you can fall into when you find something that really

Anita Adams: 00:34:13

works for you is to say, this is

Unknown: 00:34:16

the way and I think that's the definition of guru of

Unknown: 00:34:19

cult guru. Ultimately, I mean, you know, expand that by a

Unknown: 00:34:23

trillion times, you know, but, but that, that is a trap for all

Unknown: 00:34:30

of us is to think, you know, I love what I love, and I'm

Unknown: 00:34:36

connected to what I'm connected to, but I have to all and, you

Unknown: 00:34:40

know, as we started out with I believe in reincarnation. I

Unknown: 00:34:44

mean, honestly, I'm not really going to know for sure I've had

Unknown: 00:34:50

a million experiences. I've met a million people. I've talked to

Unknown: 00:34:55

psychics and this person and that person and blah, blah,

Unknown: 00:34:57

blah. At the end of the day, I'm not going to know Oh, until I'm

Unknown: 00:35:00

gone. Really? Gonna really know. Unless, of course, you know, I

Unknown: 00:35:06

become an avatar while I'm on Planet Earth. You know, I

Unknown: 00:35:11

haven't given up on that. And Anita. Good.

Anita Adams: 00:35:14

And yes, the quest in trying to understand that

Anita Adams: 00:35:18

exactly. Really citing that curiosity piece that you

Anita Adams: 00:35:21

mentioned earlier. And quite frankly,

Unknown: 00:35:23

why would I be on the planet? If I had those answers?

Unknown: 00:35:26

You know, who wants to get up to the top of the mountain and sit

Unknown: 00:35:29

for it? I might as well go. I'm here in a body to experience

Unknown: 00:35:34

this stuff.

Unknown: 00:35:35

Yeah. The Good, the Bad, the Ugly. Yeah. That's why we

Unknown: 00:35:39

incarnated

Unknown: 00:35:39

we incarnated? Well, I believe, for this very party we're in

Unknown: 00:35:44

right now this crossroads on the planet?

Anita Adams: 00:35:49

And do you do you believe you are here and I am

Anita Adams: 00:35:52

here at this specific time for a very specific reason.

Unknown: 00:35:57

I think I, I will speak for myself is because that's all

Unknown: 00:36:01

I can do. I believe that yes. I incarnated for the specific time

Unknown: 00:36:06

on the planet. And I believe that I came in, which is why I

Unknown: 00:36:11

have, you know, I talk about dreams, there was never a dream

Unknown: 00:36:16

that I had that, like, be a movie star. There was never that

Unknown: 00:36:23

kind of dream. For me, it was always about a meaningful life.

Unknown: 00:36:30

Didn't you know, I didn't dream about marrying and having a

Unknown: 00:36:34

family, I don't have a family. Well, I do have a family, I have

Unknown: 00:36:38

my my husband and my cat. But but, you know, it wasn't like

Unknown: 00:36:43

these big huge dreams about those specifics. What I wanted

Unknown: 00:36:47

was to be present to my life, and to keep creating and having

Unknown: 00:36:51

wonderful experiences and keep growing and remaining curious.

Unknown: 00:36:56

And I can see now at this age of six, zero, that the reason is

Unknown: 00:37:03

because I was pulling threads into this tapestry. And for this

Unknown: 00:37:09

time, this time of transition, this time of ascension, this

Unknown: 00:37:15

time of global consciousness and unity. I feel that profoundly.

Unknown: 00:37:23

So I don't know that, you know, other people who have configured

Unknown: 00:37:28

out why they've incarnated if they want to believe in that,

Unknown: 00:37:32

you know, they might feel as though they wanted to reconnect

Unknown: 00:37:35

with this human being or they wanted to do whatever. That's

Unknown: 00:37:39

why I feel that I have I've gotten a lot more ahead of me a

Unknown: 00:37:44

lot of things to say, I more stage work to do more singing to

Unknown: 00:37:49

do more, a lot of things to do. But I feel very present to the

Unknown: 00:37:55

crossroads of humanity, if crossroads that we are

Unknown: 00:37:58

experiencing on planet with in our humanity at this time right

Unknown: 00:38:03

now in 2022.

Anita Adams: 00:38:04

And for you, it's all pointing towards that unity

Anita Adams: 00:38:08

consciousness to increase or raise that unity consciousness.

Anita Adams: 00:38:12

Can you can you just talk a little bit about that elaborate

Anita Adams: 00:38:15

explain what Unity Consciousness is?

Unknown: 00:38:19

Well, I think it's the interconnectedness it is that

Unknown: 00:38:24

that we are all interconnected. I don't, I don't, I'm not gonna

Unknown: 00:38:30

say we're all one. Because I think that that can be confusing

Unknown: 00:38:34

sometimes.

Anita Adams: 00:38:35

Why not? Or why are we not all one I kind of liked

Anita Adams: 00:38:38

that expression. We I

Unknown: 00:38:40

just only it's simply because I've encountered people

Unknown: 00:38:43

who have been confused by that. So I've tried to figure out a

Unknown: 00:38:46

way to make we are all one. We are more palatable for someone

Unknown: 00:38:53

who can't, doesn't quite make the leap to we are all one that

Unknown: 00:38:56

we're all interconnected. As one. You know, it's hard for

Unknown: 00:39:01

somebody like that. I like that clarity. Yeah. To think of

Unknown: 00:39:05

somebody on the other side of the planet. I'm one with that

Unknown: 00:39:07

person, you know, you and I might go, oh, yeah, we're all

Unknown: 00:39:11

one and we're one with a planet or one with all the beings. But

Unknown: 00:39:15

if I think of it more in quantum or scientific or that I mean,

Unknown: 00:39:23

even ecosystems, if I love that vision of an ecosystem of of how

Unknown: 00:39:30

the ecosystem is all interconnected. And we are

Unknown: 00:39:35

really seeing this as we see the interconnectedness and the

Unknown: 00:39:38

ecosystems and climate crisis show up. You know, one piece of

Unknown: 00:39:44

the puzzle breaks down and the entire ecosystem begins to die

Unknown: 00:39:49

out, or to falter or to become sick. So if we, if we're

Unknown: 00:39:56

thinking of human beings and planet earth, and the was

Unknown: 00:40:00

insects and those bees, and the trees and the stars, and the

Unknown: 00:40:06

whales, and all of these things is having an interest that we're

Unknown: 00:40:12

all here serving each other. And that like a baseball team, I

Unknown: 00:40:17

can't have a successful baseball team without a good catcher. And

Unknown: 00:40:22

you know, all of this has to come together in support of the

Unknown: 00:40:27

whole of the One is how I love

Anita Adams: 00:40:31

how you describe that. And there's the I can

Anita Adams: 00:40:34

visualize it, I can see it and you're giving a lot of clarity

Anita Adams: 00:40:37

to that. That phrase unity consciousness. Thank you. So

Anita Adams: 00:40:43

what is one thing that each of us can do right now in our lives

Anita Adams: 00:40:50

to move us or move the dial on that awakening of this unity

Anita Adams: 00:40:58

consciousness? Is there one thing, anything we can do?

Unknown: 00:41:11

One thing, have a conversation and courageous

Unknown: 00:41:16

conversation with somebody that you would prefer not to.

Unknown: 00:41:20

Hmm. Interesting. So that's that idea.

Unknown: 00:41:28

I don't want to talk to you. I don't want with you.

Anita Adams: 00:41:31

Right? Is that that idea of that? We are the same.

Unknown: 00:41:38

We are interconnected.

Anita Adams: 00:41:40

We are interconnected. We are into not

Anita Adams: 00:41:43

drilling

Unknown: 00:41:43

me. The people I've spoken with to say same is can

Unknown: 00:41:49

can be potentially confusing it. Okay. Right. That we have more

Unknown: 00:41:55

in common than not right. And we are all interconnected.

Anita Adams: 00:42:02

So maybe go forward with those conversations. From a

Anita Adams: 00:42:08

place of curiosity to find how we might be more interconnected.

Unknown: 00:42:13

Amen. That's it.

Anita Adams: 00:42:16

I like that. Ah, Sandra, you are awesome.

Unknown: 00:42:24

You are awesome. Love these conversations. I totally

Unknown: 00:42:28

woman. I can't wait to come for a joyful retreat. Living

Unknown: 00:42:33

retreat.

Unknown: 00:42:34

Oh, I would love that. I would love love. Love that guy. Very

Unknown: 00:42:38

cool. And before we wrap up

Unknown: 00:42:40

this show that's like LOVE YOU DID tell our audience a little

Unknown: 00:42:44

bit more about your Europe show. Every day, every day? Yeah, just

Unknown: 00:42:51

give us a rundown and how we can connect with you there cool.

Unknown: 00:42:54

Well, the edge of every day, how much time do I have? Whatever

Unknown: 00:42:57

you want? Okay, well, then, the edge of every day is based on my

Unknown: 00:43:02

solo show of the same name. And which I created in 2014. And it

Unknown: 00:43:09

had I structured it like, I called it a cabo ritual. It was

Unknown: 00:43:15

a little bit cabaret, it was a little bit Performance Art

Unknown: 00:43:18

Theater. And it was completely structured like a ritual. And

Unknown: 00:43:24

this wonderful edge of everyday kind of hybrid, pushing the

Unknown: 00:43:27

boundaries of all of them. And it sprang out of what was very

Unknown: 00:43:31

alive. For me personally, at the time, I was really noticing an

Unknown: 00:43:36

increase in the polarization, the 3d polarization and the

Unknown: 00:43:40

political polarization. And it was also alive. Within

Unknown: 00:43:43

internally, I was noticing these places where my belief systems

Unknown: 00:43:47

were inconsistent. Where, you know, there were paradoxes

Unknown: 00:43:51

internally, and that was kind of exciting to me. And my, my

Unknown: 00:43:55

husband told me about theirs called the edge effect, where

Unknown: 00:44:01

one ecosystem or thumbs up edges up with another one, and it's

Unknown: 00:44:07

right in that middle point where there's the greatest diversity,

Unknown: 00:44:11

and the greatest creation and chaos and boundary pushing. And

Unknown: 00:44:16

so, so that I did that show, and then I recorded that show, and

Unknown: 00:44:21

there's a live recording and then and through the years, it

Unknown: 00:44:24

became my platform, I really came to understand that it was

Unknown: 00:44:29

how I looked at life. Your eye ending mean thyself, yeah,

Unknown: 00:44:33

knowing thyself, it was a ritual for me to create it. And, and

Unknown: 00:44:40

the more I grasp that, and then I became, I started calling

Unknown: 00:44:44

myself an edge Walker, and that I I understood that I was hybrid

Unknown: 00:44:50

in all of these things in my life, and then you know, the

Unknown: 00:44:53

pandemic and all the work that I had lined up when poof and and I

Unknown: 00:45:00

And, you know, I fell into great sadness about that. And you

Unknown: 00:45:05

know, I had to become very present to what was being

Unknown: 00:45:08

requested in all of this isolation and this internal work

Unknown: 00:45:12

and this, this call forward from mother earth about coming into

Unknown: 00:45:16

community in new ways. This call forward into letting things go

Unknown: 00:45:21

for that that which was before COVID is no longer and that

Unknown: 00:45:28

which is to be created is not here yet. So we're in this

Unknown: 00:45:33

liminal space of what's going on how do we what's what are we

Unknown: 00:45:39

creating? Who do we need to be? What do we need to let go? Of

Unknown: 00:45:42

what you know what doesn't serve us? Our systems don't serve us

Unknown: 00:45:46

here on the planet collectively, what doesn't serve me

Unknown: 00:45:49

internally, were all of these things. So I finally got

Unknown: 00:45:51

connected to that and, and then I got this, I, you know,

Unknown: 00:45:55

podcasting. People were doing it. Everyone was paying

Unknown: 00:45:59

attention to podcasts. And I thought, now we need another

Unknown: 00:46:04

podcast or like, we need a whole, don't we? And no, thank

Unknown: 00:46:09

you now, and and then I was having a conversation with

Unknown: 00:46:13

friends. And they gave me the same advice that I would have

Unknown: 00:46:15

given them, you know, that you're going to connect with who

Unknown: 00:46:19

you're going to connect with. And of course, as you well know,

Unknown: 00:46:21

and yet it was also a way for me to hide. So set that down.

Anita Adams: 00:46:26

Oh, sorry. How was it a way for you to hide?

Unknown: 00:46:28

I don't forward with my voice.

Anita Adams: 00:46:30

Oh, I see. By not doing it. It was like, Okay,

Unknown: 00:46:34

I had this impulse. But then I went, I have no food.

Unknown: 00:46:37

Yeah. Oh, I'm gonna retreat back and hide. Yeah. Whereas No, go

Unknown: 00:46:43

forward with that voice. Now is the crossroads. Now is the time.

Unknown: 00:46:50

And I did it not thinking about you know, just boom, I'm

Unknown: 00:46:53

throwing the spaghetti on the wall. I'm going to try and I

Unknown: 00:46:56

loved it. Yes. Date of conversations. Now is the let's

Unknown: 00:47:01

explore our rough edges. And, and it just sink more into this

Unknown: 00:47:06

being my platform. And and boom, here we are.

Anita Adams: 00:47:12

That's brilliant. How long have you been doing it?

Anita Adams: 00:47:15

Wasn't it?

Unknown: 00:47:16

It's really, it was October of last year.

Anita Adams: 00:47:19

Okay. Our paths are so similar with that, like, I

Anita Adams: 00:47:24

know, I launched my podcast in December 2021. Just before

Anita Adams: 00:47:29

Christmas, and I was really resistant to it. At first, you

Anita Adams: 00:47:33

know, like it was I had that, you know, it's yours to do. It's

Anita Adams: 00:47:36

time to do it. It's time you know, that that message that was

Anita Adams: 00:47:39

coming to me loud and clear. I'm like, no, no.

Unknown: 00:47:43

I'm no, I didn't want to step out my power. Yeah,

Anita Adams: 00:47:46

it just it was it was uncomfortable. And now you

Anita Adams: 00:47:50

know, like, yeah, sure, still uncomfortable a lot of times,

Anita Adams: 00:47:54

and I love it. I absolutely love it and how I'm growing and

Anita Adams: 00:47:58

connecting with amazing people like yourself, like we wouldn't

Anita Adams: 00:48:02

have connected if it wasn't for this opportunity. And I feel

Anita Adams: 00:48:06

like I'm finding my people and and hopefully agree wincing to

Anita Adams: 00:48:11

expand that that group of people that are interested in that

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unity consciousness, that higher consciousness that need for us

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as a species to evolve. And that's what this is about. This

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is this is about knowing thyself, so we can evolve. And I

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love these kinds of conversations. So totally,

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totally, totally. So cool. Well, Sandra, thank you so much. So if

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people want to to connect with you, I'll get all the

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information. I think I already have all the information. We'll

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include that in the show notes. But is there one place that you

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would like,

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best place is probably my website, Sandra bargeman.com.

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And you know, I'm ubiquitous on on social media, I'm on all of

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the platforms and you it's understand or bargeman No, II

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and you can find I'm at Talk Radio dot NYC for my podcast.

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Yeah, I have a YouTube channel, Sandra, Amazon.

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places for people to find you. All right. Well,

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we'll make sure that's all included in the show notes. So

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notes. Awesome. Thank you. Thank you. So my oh my

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god, woman. Thank you so much for having me. It is

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just a joy to be in your presence. You're so glad we

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found each other.

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Me too. Me too. All right, joyful. journeyers. Thank

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